The Joy of Sox #navbar-iframe { display:block } function setAttributeOnload(object, attribute, val) { if(window.addEventListener) { window.addEventListener("load", function(){ object[attribute] = val; }, false); } else { window.attachEvent('onload', function(){ object[attribute] = val; }); } } skip to main | skip to sidebarThe Joy of SoxBacks To The Wall.Here We #@*&% Go Again.Don't Let Us Win Thursday Night.Red Sox Upbeat At WorkoutTerry Francona, after the Red Sox's optional workout this afternoon:I think they wish we were playing in about 10 minutes. It's good. It's very good. It's enthusiastic. ... Pedroia came in this morning ready to fight the war, and it's spreading clubhouse-wide.Since 1985, four of the 15 teams that have trailed 3-1 in the ALCS have come back to win the pennant. The Red Sox account for three of those four teams: 1986, 2004, 2007.Jason Varitek:We've got nothing but baseball ahead of us. Belief. It wasn't just '04, '07. We've been able to do it. It leaves an overriding belief. I believe.Varitek is one of five players remaining from the 2004 team (Ortiz, Tim Wakefield, Mike Timlin, and Kevin Youkilis are the others.)Wakefield:We've been in this situation before. We've been down 3-0 and come back and won, so it's going to take a group effort Thursday.Timlin:You can rely on history. History repeats itself. That's what I've heard. Go with that.However, David Ortiz, the anchor of the lineup, is batting only .161 (5-for-31) in October and is 1-for-14 against the Rays. He has gone 27 AB without an RBI and his last home run came way back on September 22. MLB.com:And here is possibly the most telling trend: In 31 at-bats, Ortiz has struck out only eight times, meaning he is making consistent contact. But he has hit fly balls out of the infield only seven times, meaning he is simply not driving the ball. To a lot of people, that suggests -- disclaimers to the contrary -- that his left wrist is not strong. Others wonder if Ortiz is seeing the ball well.Posted byredsockat10/15/2008 04:30:00 PM0comments  Kazmir to Start Game 5Maddon explains the move:It's something we thought about since prior to this thing beginning. Being in the position we're in, we like the idea of pitching him with the day off to follow. ...We like the fact that [Kazmir is] pitching with an open day following, the ability to utilize the entire bullpen. We also like the idea of him pitching [at Fenway], and we like the idea of Shields being able to pitch at home, if necessary.***Joe Maddon has bumped James Shields from Thursday's Game 5 start and will give the ball to Scott Kazmir, who will be pitching on four days rest.  A reminder: Meanwhile, in New York: Posted byredsockat10/15/2008 10:42:00 AM15commentsALCS 4: Rays 13, Red Sox 4Rays - 302 105 020 - 13 14 3Red Sox - 001 000 120 - 4 7 0Do you really need (or want) a recap?Pena and Longoria hit back-to-back home runs in the first and the Rays were off to the races. It was still sort of a game at 6-1 when Tampa Bay battered Delcarmen for a single, a triple, three walks and five runs in the sixth.Crawford went 5-for-5, with two stolen bases, two RBI and two runs, and Aybar went 4-for-5 with a dong and five RBI.The Red Sox started to hit the ball with a bit of authority in the seventh and eighth innings. Ortiz tripled to start the eighth and scored on Youkilis's groundout. In the ninth, Lowrie and Pedroia singled and Yook doubled. Kevin Cash's solo home run gave Boston a run in the third.So the team's backs are to the ALCS wall yet again. It has become a familiar place. We'll see on Thursday if the Red Sox can rally for a third consecutive time in five years.***The Assassin Has Returned!Red Sox RaysDrew, RF Iwamura, 2BPedroia, 2B Upton, CFOrtiz, DH Pena, 1BYoukilis, 3B Longoria, 3BBay, LF Crawford, LFKotsay, 1B Aybar, DHCrisp, CF Navarro, CCash, C Perez, RFLowrie, SS Bartlett, SS***BR PreviewAndy Sonnanstine (Rays 20-12 in his starts)Tim Wakefield (Red Sox 15-15 in his starts)Sonnanstine faced the Red Sox twice this season -- in consecutive starts on September 10 and 16. He pitched 13 innings and allowed only two unearned runs, along with seven hits and two walks. He struck out 12 and the Rays won both games. Wakefield made three starts against Tampa Bay in 2008 - one great, one average, and one shitty. He had a rough September (6.65 ERA in 23 innings over five starts) and did not pitch in the ALDS.One-third of the Red Sox lineup is hitting -- Pedroia (6-for-11, .545/.643/1.182), Bay (5-for-11, .455/.571/.818 and Youkilis (6-for-14, .429/.429/.786) -- and that is not enough. Ortiz, Ellsbury and Varitek are a combined 0-for-34 and Drew is 2-for-8. ... Crisp (3-for-6) needs to play CF tonight.***Somewhere around the third or fourth inning yesterday, Jon Miller of ESPN radio started peddling this clump of horseshit:Red Sox fans are not that far removed from 86 years of pain and suffering. ... doubts may be creeping in.I'm dealing with the radio delay to avoid ever hearing Chip "OMG!!11!!!1!1 The Rays Totally Rock" Caray, so this really pissed me off. If anyone is embracing the gloom-and-doom-woe-is-us-maybe-the-Curse-never-really-left meme, go right ahead. Make CHB's day. Just stay away from here.Winning today will even the series. And we were in a deeper pit less than a year ago before roaring back, obliterating Cleveland and sweeping the World Series. (The Red Sox also came back from 0-2 in a best-of-5 in 2003 and from 0-3 in a best-of-7 in 2004 -- remember?)Bay Being Manny:We put up eight runs the other night. It's not the end of the world. And we won the first night [scoring two runs].And to hell with those people who left before the end of yesterday's game. Loyalty does not mean supporting the team only when they are winning. It's a shame you wasted space in a seat that an actual fan could have used.***The shots did not work their toasty magic, so we need another source of mojo (though you should keep drinking whiskey). I believe I have found it: Kids playing AC/DC! Here's a 12-year-old kid playing "You Shook Me All Night Long":***It's also Election Night in Canada. So FU to Stephen Harper.Posted byredsockat10/14/2008 01:32:00 PM461commentsLabels:2008 gamesALCS 3: Rays 9, Red Sox 1Rays - 014 000 031 - 9 13 0Red Sox - 000 000 100 - 1 7 0Lester had a four-pitch first inning (ball, 6-3, 3U, F8) and things looked bright. But the Rays scored a run in the second on a walk, a single and a groundout. Then the Red Sox had men at second and third with one out and could not score -- though they were relying on Varitek and Cora. Lester was then pounded in the third. Bartlett singled, Iwamura doubled off the Wall, and Upton crushed a three-run dong over everything in left. After Pena struck out looking, Longoria homered to left-center.Boston could not get anything going against Garza. Pedroia doubled with one out in the first, but was stranded. Then the Sox "stranded a pair" in the second. They had a runner on base in each of the next four innings, but could not move any of them to second. Garza began the seventh at 107 pitches. He seemed gassed as he walked Varitek and allowed a single down the right field line to Cora. Howell came in and gave up a sac fly to Ellsbury, which made the score 5-1. Pedroia then grounded into a 5-4-3 DP to end the inning. The only baserunner for Boston in the final two innings was Drew's two-out single in the eighth.Byrd relieved Lester in the sixth and pitched the rest of the way. He gave up a three-run home run to Baldelli in the eighth that put the game on ice. Pena pounded a dong to left-center in the ninth as an exclamation point.The one Boston run in the seventh meant that the Red Sox avoided being shut out at Fenway Park in a post-season game for the first time since Game 5 of the 1918 World Series.The Rays lead this series 2-1. Game 4 is tomorrow night.***BR PreviewMatt Garza (Rays 14-16 in his starts)Jon Lester (Red Sox 22-11 in his starts)Red Sox Rays Jacoby Ellsbury, CF Akinori Iwamura, 2BDustin Pedroia, 2B B.J. Upton, CFDavid Ortiz, DH Carlos Pena, 1BKevin Youkilis, 3B Evan Longoria, 3BJ.D. Drew, RF Carl Crawford, LFJason Bay, LF Willy Aybar, DHMark Kotsay, 1B Dioner Navarro, CJason Varitek, C Rocco Baldelli, RFAlex Cora, SS Jason Bartlett, SSAfter splitting the first two games, the ALCS is now a best-of-5 -- and Boston has both home field advantage and Jon Lester set to pitch two of those possible five games.Lester made three starts against the Rays this season, allowing only two runs in 20 innings (0.90 ERA). 18 hits, six walks, 19 strikeouts. He had a 2.49 ERA in 17 Fenway starts. He was second on the Red Sox staff with a 143 ERA+.Garza -- in the first full season of his career -- started four games against the Red Sox, allowing 14 runs (11 earned) in 22 innings (4.50). He walked seven, struck out 10 and gave up four dongs. His 118 ERA+ was third best on the Rays staff.There are rumblings that Alex Cora may get a start today. I'd rather Terry Francona stick to putting the best players in the lineup, thank you very much. But the Assassin loves Einstein, so I hope Flo and Lyndon pick today to come out of their offensive shells.Corsi Combover has some fine Columbus Day art at SoSH. It's Thanksgiving Day in Canada and we're off with some friends and their dogs. You're on your own as far as links go, but the ProJo blog has press conference transcripts and a bunch of other stuff in one place.***NLCS 4: Phillies (2)/Dodgers (1) at 8Posted byredsockat10/13/2008 09:30:00 AM383commentsLabels:2008 gamesHas Anyone Seen Paul Byrd? Many Red Sox fans are calling last night's loss to Tampa Bay the worst managed playoff game of Terry Francona's Red Sox career.Two things stood out for me. One was the absence of Paul Byrd. With Tim Wakefield tabbed for Game 4, Byrd is on the roster for two reasons:1) Long man if the starter gets bombed2) Multiple innings after the top bullpen arms have been usedBoth scenarios came up last night, but Francona never went with Byrd. Indeed, he was the only relief picther that Francona did not use last night.Tito kept a totally ineffective Josh Beckett on the hill to get repeatedly pounded, presumably because the Red Sox bats had kept the score close. Tito said he wanted to get five innings out of Beckett in order to "set up the bullpen".Later in the game, Francona pulled Jonathan Papelbon after only 18 pitches -- with an off-day today, why? -- and went with Mike Timlin to start the 11th against the Rays' 7-8-9 hitters. Bot was struck by Carl Crawford's line drive that became the second out in the 10th, but he said he was not bothered by that. "It hit my glove first and then grazed my arm."While Timlin (who admitted afterwards that he had been "nervous") was squeezed by the home plate umpire -- he clearly struck out Navarro, who walked and was pulled for pinch-runner Fernando Perez, who scored the winning run -- he should have been the absolute last resort out of the pen. Amalie Benjamin explains that Byrd was being held back in case the game went really long. But Byrd is the better pitcher and he should have been used before Timlin.And what can we expect from a most-likely injured Beckett in a possible Game 6? He says he's "fine", but I don't think too many people believe that.***NLCS: Phillies (2)/Dodgers (0) at 8.***We opted for the delay of ESPN radio so we missed Chip "Deeeeep Into The Night" Caray. He has apparently dropped any and all pretense of impartiality. You can listen to the difference in his home run calls here -- check out Upton versus Yook or Pedroia or his call on the game-tying wild pitch. Feel free to tell TBS how you are enjoying its coverage:TBS1010 Techwood Dr. NWAtlanta, Georgia 30318Viewer Comments: 404-885-0758Or click here and follow the "Contact Us" linkPosted byredsockat10/12/2008 11:55:00 AM53commentsALCS 2: Rays 9, Red Sox 8 (11)Red Sox - 201 031 010 00 - 8 12 0Rays - 202 130 000 01 - 9 12 0***BR PreviewJosh Beckett (Red Sox 13-14 in his starts)Scott Kazmir (Rays 18-9 in his starts)Red Sox RaysJacoby Ellsbury, CF Akinroi Iwamura, 2BDustin Pedroia, 2B B.J. Upton, CFDavid Ortiz, DH Carlos Pena, 1BKevin Youkilis, 3B Evan Longoria, 3BJason Bay, LF Carl Crawford, LFJed Lowrie, SS Cliff Floyd, DHJason Varitek, C Dioner Navarro, CMark Kotsay, 1B Gabe Gross, RFCoco Crisp, CF Jason Bartlett, SSTerry Francona says there is nothing wrong with Drew. He merely likes how Ococ has hit against Red Dot.The Globe has great quotes from the press conferences with Francona and Maddon this afternoon. ***Beckett vs Rays - 2008 IP H R BB K BF PIT0427 7 4 2 1 13 26 107 Rays 3-00503 8 7 4 1 5 31 100 Red Sox 12-40604 6 7 1 0 5 24 92 Red Sox 5-10910 6 6 1 2 7 26 84 Rays 4-20916 8 3 1 1 7 28 95 Rays 2-1 35 27 9 5 37Kazmir vs Red Sox - 2008 IP H R BB K BF PIT0504 4 6 4 3 5 21 90 Red Sox 7-30702 5 7 4 4 3 25 107 Rays 7-60909 6 5 2 3 4 25 108 Rays 5-40915 3 6 9 4 2 19 72 Red Sox 13-5 18 24 19 14 14SoSHer draven085 says that Kazmir isallowing significantly more flyballs than in years past and his line drive rate has never been higher in the big leagues. His strikeout rate also dipped [from 2007 to 2008] by .6 K/9 while his BB/9 rose .25. A BABIP of .275 and a strand rate of 82.5% helped masked some of his disappointing season but there's little reason to think this is the same pitcher who has often dominated the Sox over the past couple of years. ... I don't think there's any reason to be nervous about facing him.MLB:In the Red Sox's last 12 post-season games (from 2007 ALCS 5 to last night), the starting pitchers have a 1.93 ERA (74.1 IP, 16 ER).The Globe profiles Kazmir. ... Joe Maddon said he's cool with his decisions to give the green light on 3-0 to both Evan Longoria in the sixth and Carlos Pena in the eighth.The NLCS is off today. Brett Myers of the Phillies is only the fourth pitcher since 1919 to get three hits in a post-season game (and the eighth overall).Posted byredsockat10/11/2008 12:41:00 PM955commentsLabels:2008 gamesOrtiz Sees Rays Under PressureWhile the Red Sox were in the field, David Ortiz was watching the Rays:I'm the kind of guy that I watch everybody's faces. I've got the opportunity because I don't have to go out there and play defense. I'm telling you, I saw faces tonight different than what I see in the regular season. I don't blame nobody. It's a lot of pressure out there right now in this game because you have to win; otherwise, you go home. That relaxed type of thing that you have during the regular season, that wasn't out there tonight. ...My first time in the playoffs, I was playing for the Twins so you have, what, two dozen people? You go to the playoffs, you have 40-50,000 thousand people and that Metrodome gets loud so it was a totally different feeling. ...I don't know if they were tight. You know, that one situation when you come with men on base and you get that hit or you get that run in that you saw all year round from those guys where they'd say, "OK, we're down one run or two runs, we're going to get it done." It wasn't out there tonight. I don't think we saw that. ...We're kind of used to playing in these games. When we played in the regular season against the Yankees or these guys, it's this type of feeling. We're kind of used to it. Nobody panics.Jonathan Papelbon, while not talking about the Rays, echoed Flo's thoughts:It's produce or go home ... During the season, you get to the play the next day still. This is not like that.And when it comes to watching Daisuke Matsuzaka, Ortiz understands our discomfort:I would be dying out there, watching on TV. ... When you watch Daisuke pitch, at one point you kind of run out of patience, but then they hit like .164 off him. I don't know how he does it, but he does it.By retiring the Rays in order in the ninth inning Papelbon set a major league record with 20.2 scoreless postseason innings to start a career, breaking Joe Niekro's old mark of 20. Once he learned that, he went and fished the baseball out of the trash.Posted byredsockat10/11/2008 08:55:00 AM11commentsALCS 1: Red Sox 2, Rays 0Red Sox - 000 010 010 - 2 7 0Rays - 000 000 000 - 0 4 0Matsuzaka took a no-hitter into the seventh inning and the bullpen trio of Hideki Okajima, Justin Masterson and Jonathan Papelbon shut the door on the Rays.In the fifth inning against Shields, Jason Bay walked and raced to third on Mark Kotsay's pop fly double down the left field line. Jed Lowrie's fly out to right scored Bay with the night's first run. (The Red Sox had threatened in the first. Dustin Pedroia walked with one out and went to third on Kevin Youkilis's two-out ground-rule double to right, but J.D. Drew struck out.)Boston made it 2-0 in the eighth when Pedroia singled with one out. He stole second before David Ortiz walked and then he scored on Youkilis's double off the tip of Carl Crawford's glove in shallow left.Dice walked three Rays in the first, but wiggled out of trouble, retiring retired 16 out of the next 17 batters. He started the seventh by allowing two singles, but with runners at first and third he got a fly ball to short left, a strikeout and a fielder's choice.Matsuzaka allowed two more singles to start the seventh and was pulled. Jeemer got Carlos Pena to hack on 3-0 and fly out to Drew in right-center. Then Masterson got Evan Longoria to hit into a 6-4-3 DP. Bot set down Tampa in order in the ninth: K, PF5, K.NLCS: The Philles held off the Dodgers 8-5 to take a 2-0 lead in the series.***BR PreviewDaisuke Matsuzaka (Red Sox 23-6 in his starts)James Shields (Rays 22-11 in his starts)Red Sox RaysJacoby Ellsbury, CF Akinroi Iwamura, 2BDustin Pedroia, 2B B.J. Upton, CFDavid Ortiz, DH Carlos Pena, 1BKevin Youkilis, 3B Evan Longoria, 3BJ.D. Drew, RF Carl Crawford, LFJason Bay, LF Cliff Floyd, DHMark Kotsay, 1B Dioner Navarro, CJed Lowrie, SS Gabe Gross, RFJason Varitek, C Jason Bartlett, SS *** It Is On!Tampa Bay and Boston met 18 times during the regular season. The Rays won 10 games, the Red Sox eight. Eleven of the 18 games were decided by three runs or fewer, six by one run (the Rays won all six of those), two in extra innings. Home records: Rays 8-1, Red Sox 7-2. ... And they brawled on June 5.Rays vs. Red Sox in 2008 Winner/Score Park 0425 Rays 5-4 (11) Trop0426 Rays 2-1 Trop0427 Rays 3-0 Trop 0502 Red Sox 7-3 Fenway0503 Red Sox 12-4 Fenway0504 Red Sox 7-3 Fenway 0603 Red Sox 7-4 Fenway0604 Red Sox 5-1 Fenway0605 Red Sox 7-1 Fenway 0630 Rays 5-4 Trop0701 Rays 3-1 Trop0702 Rays 7-6 Trop 0908 Red Sox 3-0 Fenway0909 Rays 5-4 Fenway0910 Rays 4-2 (14) Fenway 0915 Red Sox 13-5 Trop0916 Rays 2-1 Trop0917 Rays 10-3 TropDice vs Rays IP H R BB K BF PIT0602 5 2 1 2 5 22 101 Rays 7-60909 5 8 3 4 5 28 102 Rays 5-40915 5 3 1 2 7 21 101 Red Sox 13-5Shields vs Red Sox IP H R BB K BF PIT0427 9 2 0 1 7 29 99 Rays 3-00503 3.2 10 7 2 3 24 98 Red Sox 12-10605 1 3 4 0 2 8 27 Red Sox 7-10630 6.1 5 2 1 5 24 104 Rays 5-4Speaking of numbers, does 9 really equal 8?The Red Sox added Mike Timlin to the roster for the ALCS. Gil Valezquez -- who was added mid-DS in place of Mike Lowell -- was left off. ... The Rays added pitcher Edwin Jackson and subtracted Eric Hinske.Joe Maddon, on the evenness of the two teams: I think you can expect a lot of what you saw during the regular season; I do. There will be a lot of tight games, I think. Both sides have got good starting pitching and bullpens. Offensively, they probably have a little bit more hitting ability overall, but we have that ability to hit in the clutch. ...[I]n a seven-game series like this, you truly have to play it one at a time ... it's really magnified at this particular juncture. ...They're probably saying the same things — it's pretty even based on the familiarity with the two groups, the number of times that we have played against one another, the close games we have played against each another; the fact that we've finally broken through up there a little bit and they got their win down here. It's really a very balanced situation and it's going to come down to the pitching once again. ... It's going to be a grind-it-out kind of series.Fox: Boston and Tampa are young, tough, hungry, and athletic. They're everything the New York Yankees are not.The Rays bullpen has been lights out against the Red Sox in Tampa. In the nine Trop games, the quintet of Grant Balfour, J.P. Howell, Dan Wheeler, Trever Miller, and Chad Bradford has made 18 appearances, pitching 18.2 innings. They have allowed only 11 hits and 7 walks (0.96 WHIP) and one earned run (0.48 ERA), while striking out 15. Red Sox Blog Watch: Firebrand lists "the five most important moments" between the Rays and Red Sox in 2008 ... Over The Monster reports on the surprise press conference at which a teary-eyed John Henry vowed the Red Sox would "return to its roots" and "start losing again" ... Paul SF previews the series at YFSF and he agrees with me: Sox in 6 ... Survivng Grady presents a special edition of "Ellsbury 'n' Elf" ... Out in CF notes that the rays at the Florida Aquarium are being fed "little Red Sox-shaped snacks".Globe predictions:CHB: BOS 7 - LAD 5Cafardo: BOS 7 - PHI 7Benjamin*: BOS 7 - LAD 5Massarotti: TBR 6 - LAD 6Kilgore: TBR 6 - LAD 7*: Benjamin was the only Glober to pick the Red Sox over the Angels.Michael Silverman, Herald: Red Sox in 7. ... David Pinto, Baseball Musings: "Flipping a coin might be just as good. The Red Sox are my favorite, but with just a 51% chance of winning the series." ... Yahoo ran 10,000 AccuScore simulations of the ALCS: The Red Sox won 53% of them.The Hardball Times: Why the Rays will win / Why the Red Sox will win. ... Christina Kahrl has BP's preview: Rays in 6. ... The Globe's Eric Wilbur has collected a lot of media predictions here.Not sufficiently fired up yet? Well .....  How about now?Posted byredsockat10/10/2008 03:40:00 PM679commentsLabels:2008 gamesRed Sox Are The New VillainsSteve Buckley, Herald:All across America, fans and media are going to hate the Red Sox as never before.It has begun in Tampa, where the Red Sox are the Evil Empire:Who's next? ... the Red Sox! It is going to be Boston. Of course it is going to be Boston in the AL Championship Series. After all that has gone on between them, after all the feuding and the fussing and the friction, who else could it be?The Red Sox are that sneering gunfighter you see in Westerns who you know is destined to draw against John Wayne. Or that glowering boxer who feels no pain who is bound to fight Rocky Balboa. The Red Sox are final-reel villains, and as formidable as they are, it is fitting that they should be the final team standing between the Rays and the World Series. ...So bring on the annoying Coco Crisp. Bring on the dangerous David Ortiz. Bring on the mouthy Jonathan Papelbon and Kevin Youkilis, the escapee from the biker bar. Bring on the entire cast of Bond villains that is the Red Sox. The Globe has quotes from Wednesday's press conference from Joe Maddon and Terry Francona. ... Scouting the Rays. ... Art Martone's blog has links galore.Joe McDonald, Providence Journal:Talking to a lot of the Tampa Bay players yesterday ... they are actually glad they are not going to be Jon Lester at the Trop ... They don't want to lose a game at home against him, so they're actually kind of glad they're going to see Matsuzaka, who they've had success against this year, and Beckett.***Hatred on the field?Francona:The bad blood, I don't think anyone has even thought of it. This is the playoffs, and that really doesn't enter into it.Jonathan Papelbon:There could be something that stirs it right back up. You know how these things linger all year long.Coco Crisp:It was just that series, and it doesn't seem like anything's happened since then.Dustin Pedroia:I don't buy into all that [the media] say about we hate each other.Jed Lowrie:I think that's all done with. Maybe it's not.Posted byredsockat10/09/2008 10:34:00 PM13commentsThe Origins Of "Manny Forgot Which Knee Hurt"Tim McCarver is still bothered by how Manny Ramirez acted during what ended up being his final weeks in a Red Sox uniform:I mean, talk about wearing out your welcome in a town, and it was a long welcome with the Red Sox. But some of the things he did were simply despicable, despicable — like not playing, refusing to play. Forgetting what knee to limp on.Ol' Second Inning*'s rant is probably best read in the voice of Daffy Duck.But what of the specific claim that Manny forgot which knee was bothering him? It might be worthy of a chuckle if it did not come after more than 10 years of insults and unwarranted nastiness from both the Boston and national media.Yesterday I tried to find out where it had originated from.It turns out that McCarver was repeating that exact same story more than two years ago!On July 10, 2006, Will Carroll of Baseball Prospects wrote that Ramirez had beentaking a disproportionate amount of heat for missing the [All-Star Game], even getting openly questioned on yesterday's Fox telecast. Tim McCarver said the worst thing about his knee injury was "remembering which leg to limp with."(Carroll also reported Manny was "suffering from a small tear in the medial meniscus of his right knee", although the Red Sox denied that report a few days later.)McCarver's comments were made on Saturday, July 8, 2006 -- during Fox's broadcast of the Red Sox's 9-6 win over the White Sox. That was two days before Bill Mahoney, who runs the parody site "Call Of The Green Monster" posted:Media Confused About Which Knee Manny InjuredAs he walked around the clubhouse before yesterday's game against the Chicago White Sox, Manny Ramirez had a big ice pack wrapped around his right knee. However, astute reporters noted that Ramirez, as he limped around, was actually favoring his left knee. "Hey Manny," a reporter asked, "which knee is the sore one?" Ramirez froze for a moment. "It's my ... uh," he looked down, and noted the ice pack, "my right knee, man. Can't you see that?" Then why was he limping on his left knee? Ramirez, now favoring his right knee, walked haughtily out of the clubhouse. "This is why I never want to talk to you guys, man. Can't a guy just have a sore knee without all these questions about which knee it is?"I'm assuming that Mahoney heard McCarver's comment and used it as a springboard for his Onionesque post.I should also note that more than a month later, on August 17, 2006, Boston sportswriters were confused about which of Alex Gonzalez's knees was bothering him. The Globe added that Terry Francona was "uncertain which knee is hurting the shortstop".The first 2008 sighting of Manny's "which knee" story appears to be Gordon Edes's game story in the July 26 Globe of the Yankees' 1-0 win over the Red Sox:He'd been sent to Massachusetts General Hospital during the game to have an MRI of both knees, the Sox evidently taking no chances that their slugger might have gotten confused about which one hurt.Two days later, on July 28, Globe columnist Dan Shaughnessy wrote:Convinced he was lying about his right knee, they sent him for an MRI on both knees (in case Manny suddenly tried to claim it was the left knee).That same day, Bill Chuck wrote the following in his Billy-Ball online newsletter:...[A]fter Manny's late scratch from the line-up, the Sox called Manny's bluff. They sent him to Mass General for not just an MRI on the knee he claimed was hurting, but on both knees just in case he forgot which one was bothering him ...This was quickly picked up by MSNBC's Mike "Hat Guy" Celizic:On Friday, Manny decided his knee was sore, and he couldn't play in what would be a loss to the Yankees. On Saturday, the team ordered him to get MRI's on both knees. That, quipped Bill Chuck, the author of the Billy-Ball newsletter, was just in case Manny forgot which knee was sore.It's clear from Edes's "evidently", CHB's relegation of the remark to a parenthetical, and Celizec's labeling Chuck's comment a "quip" that there was no real source for this "story" -- it was simply a media guffaw/snide remark.However, Peter Gammons repeated the story as fact three days later, in his July 31 ESPN column:Ramirez tried to sit, citing his knee. ... If Ramirez hadn't forgotten which knee was bothering him, he would have been more convincing, but he got mixed up.Gammons offered no source for his statement and because the entire column is nothing more than a bitter rant against Ramirez, I cannot accept it as fact.In the aftermath of Ramirez's trade to Los Angeles, the tidbit gained traction (though it was never sourced, not even to the popular "anonymous source with knowledge of the situation"):Jon Heyman, Sports Illustrated, August 4, 2008:One landmark moment came when Ramirez complained of knee pain but couldn't recall which knee was hurting him. Red Sox doctors had to take the unusual step of evaluating both the right and left knee in an MRI exam.Tim Brown, Yahoo! Sports, August 8, 2008:Last [the Red Sox] saw of Manny, he was stumping for a trade. He was crab-walking to first base. ... He was trying to remember which knee hurt.Tyler Kepner New York Times, October 5, 2008:In the litany of Manny Ramirez controversies, it was not as egregious as reportedly forgetting which knee hurt when he visited a doctor this July. ...At least Kepner hedged his bets and said Manny "reportedly" forgot which of his knees hurt. ... (It was also mentioned as a joke at The Spoof on August 19, 2008.)Art Martone, the sports editor of the Providence Journal, told me the storysounds awfully familiar, but I couldn't find it anywhere in our archives. It may be an urban legend that's been repeated so often it's accepted as fact.I also sent emails to two Boston writers who have been reporting on the team since 2006, asking for any possible clarification of this story/rumor, but have not received any replies.Based on what I have found so far -- the questionable accuracy of things said by Tim McCarver, the recurrence of McCarver's 2006 remark at the 2008 trade deadline, the frequent use of the remark as an apparent joke both by sportswriters and comedians -- I believe this story is a myth.If I learn anything else, I'll post an update.____________________________________(*: "I used to call [Tim McCarver] 'Old Second Inning' due to his habit of having to take a dump in the john between the first and second inning of every game. He had the most reliable body clock in the world; we used to set our watches by him." 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name\75\47quickedit\47\76\74/b:include\76\n\74/div\076'}}, document.getElementById('Label1'), {}, 'displayModeFull'));_WidgetManager._RegisterWidget('_LinkListView', new _WidgetInfo('LinkList12', 'sidebar',{'main': {'varName': '', 'template': '\74b:if cond\75\47data:title\47\76\74h2\76\74data:title\76\74/data:title\76\74/h2\76\74/b:if\76\n\74div class\75\47widget-content\47\76\n\74ul\76\n\74b:loop values\75\47data:links\47 var\75\47link\47\76\n\74li\76\74a expr:href\75\47data:link.target\47\76\74data:link.name\76\74/data:link.name\76\74/a\76\74/li\76\n\74/b:loop\76\n\74/ul\76\n\74b:include name\75\47quickedit\47\76\74/b:include\76\n\74/div\076'}}, document.getElementById('LinkList12'), {}, 'displayModeFull'));_WidgetManager._RegisterWidget('_ImageView', new _WidgetInfo('Image5', 'sidebar',{'main': {'varName': '', 'template': '\74b:if cond\75\47data:title !\75 \46quot;\46quot;\47\76\n\74h2\76\74data:title\76\74/data:title\76\74/h2\76\n\74/b:if\76\n\74div class\75\47widget-content\47\76\n\74b:if cond\75\47data:link !\75 \46quot;\46quot;\47\76\n\74a expr:href\75\47data:link\47\76\n\74img expr:alt\75\47data:title\47 expr:height\75\47data:height\47 expr:id\75\47data:widget.instanceId + \46quot;_img\46quot;\47 expr:src\75\47data:sourceUrl\47 expr:width\75\47data:width\47/\76\n\74/a\76\n\74b:else\76\74/b:else\76\n\74img expr:alt\75\47data:title\47 expr:height\75\47data:height\47 expr:id\75\47data:widget.instanceId + \46quot;_img\46quot;\47 expr:src\75\47data:sourceUrl\47 expr:width\75\47data:width\47/\76\n\74/b:if\76\n\74br/\76\n\74b:if cond\75\47data:caption !\75 \46quot;\46quot;\47\76\n\74span class\75\47caption\47\76\74data:caption\76\74/data:caption\76\74/span\76\n\74/b:if\76\n\74/div\76\n\74b:include name\75\47quickedit\47\76\74/b:include\076'}}, document.getElementById('Image5'), {'resize': true}, 'displayModeFull'));_WidgetManager._RegisterWidget('_LinkListView', new _WidgetInfo('LinkList7', 'sidebar',{'main': {'varName': '', 'template': '\74b:if cond\75\47data:title\47\76\74h2\76\74data:title\76\74/data:title\76\74/h2\76\74/b:if\76\n\74div class\75\47widget-content\47\76\n\74ul\76\n\74b:loop values\75\47data:links\47 var\75\47link\47\76\n\74li\76\74a expr:href\75\47data:link.target\47\76\74data:link.name\76\74/data:link.name\76\74/a\76\74/li\76\n\74/b:loop\76\n\74/ul\76\n\74b:include name\75\47quickedit\47\76\74/b:include\76\n\74/div\076'}}, document.getElementById('LinkList7'), {}, 'displayModeFull'));_WidgetManager._RegisterWidget('_BlogArchiveView', new _WidgetInfo('BlogArchive1', 'sidebar',{'main': {'varName': '', 'template': '\74b:if cond\75\47data:title\47\76\n\74h2\76\74data:title\76\74/data:title\76\74/h2\76\n\74/b:if\76\n\74div class\75\47widget-content\47\76\n\74div id\75\47ArchiveList\47\76\n\74div expr:id\75\47data:widget.instanceId + \46quot;_ArchiveList\46quot;\47\76\n\74b:if cond\75\47data:style \75\75 \46quot;HIERARCHY\46quot;\47\76\n\74b:include data\75\47data\47 name\75\47interval\47\76\74/b:include\76\n\74/b:if\76\n\74b:if cond\75\47data:style \75\75 \46quot;FLAT\46quot;\47\76\n\74b:include data\75\47data\47 name\75\47flat\47\76\74/b:include\76\n\74/b:if\76\n\74b:if cond\75\47data:style \75\75 \46quot;MENU\46quot;\47\76\n\74b:include data\75\47data\47 name\75\47menu\47\76\74/b:include\76\n\74/b:if\76\n\74/div\76\n\74/div\76\n\74b:include name\75\47quickedit\47\76\74/b:include\76\n\74/div\076'}, 'flat': {'varName': 'data', 'template': '\74ul\76\n\74b:loop values\75\47data:data\47 var\75\47i\47\76\n\74li class\75\47archivedate\47\76\n\74a expr:href\75\47data:i.url\47\76\74data:i.name\76\74/data:i.name\76\74/a\76 (\74data:i.post-count\76\74/data:i.post-count\76)\n \74/li\76\n\74/b:loop\76\n\74/ul\076'}, 'menu': {'varName': 'data', 'template': '\74select expr:id\75\47data:widget.instanceId + \46quot;_ArchiveMenu\46quot;\47\76\n\74option value\75\47\47\76\74data:title\76\74/data:title\76\74/option\76\n\74b:loop values\75\47data:data\47 var\75\47i\47\76\n\74option expr:value\75\47data:i.url\47\76\74data:i.name\76\74/data:i.name\76 (\74data:i.post-count\76\74/data:i.post-count\76)\74/option\76\n\74/b:loop\76\n\74/select\076'}, 'interval': {'varName': 'intervalData', 'template': '\74b:loop values\75\47data:intervalData\47 var\75\47i\47\76\n\74ul\76\n\74li expr:class\75\47\46quot;archivedate \46quot; + data:i.expclass\47\76\n\74b:include data\75\47i\47 name\75\47toggle\47\76\74/b:include\76\n\74a class\75\47post-count-link\47 expr:href\75\47data:i.url\47\76\74data:i.name\76\74/data:i.name\76\74/a\76\n\74span class\75\47post-count\47 dir\75\47ltr\47\76(\74data:i.post-count\76\74/data:i.post-count\76)\74/span\76\n\74b:if cond\75\47data:i.data\47\76\n\74b:include data\75\47i.data\47 name\75\47interval\47\76\74/b:include\76\n\74/b:if\76\n\74b:if cond\75\47data:i.posts\47\76\n\74b:include data\75\47i.posts\47 name\75\47posts\47\76\74/b:include\76\n\74/b:if\76\n\74/li\76\n\74/ul\76\n\74/b:loop\076'}, 'toggle': {'varName': 'interval', 'template': '\74b:if cond\75\47data:interval.toggleId\47\76\n\74b:if cond\75\47data:interval.expclass \75\75 \46quot;expanded\46quot;\47\76\n\74a class\75\47toggle\47 expr:href\75\47data:widget.actionUrl + \46quot;\46amp;action\75toggle\46quot; + \46quot;\46amp;dir\75close\46amp;toggle\75\46quot; + data:interval.toggleId + \46quot;\46amp;toggleopen\75\46quot; + data:toggleopen\47\76\n\74span class\75\47zippy toggle-open\47\76\46#9660; \74/span\76\n\74/a\76\n\74b:else\76\74/b:else\76\n\74a class\75\47toggle\47 expr:href\75\47data:widget.actionUrl + \46quot;\46amp;action\75toggle\46quot; + \46quot;\46amp;dir\75open\46amp;toggle\75\46quot; + data:interval.toggleId + \46quot;\46amp;toggleopen\75\46quot; + data:toggleopen\47\76\n\74span class\75\47zippy\47\76\n\74b:if cond\75\47data:blog.languageDirection \75\75 \46quot;rtl\46quot;\47\76\n \46#9668;\n \74b:else\76\74/b:else\76\n \46#9658;\n \74/b:if\76\n\74/span\76\n\74/a\76\n\74/b:if\76\n\74/b:if\076'}, 'posts': {'varName': 'posts', 'template': '\74ul class\75\47posts\47\76\n\74b:loop values\75\47data:posts\47 var\75\47i\47\76\n\74li\76\74a expr:href\75\47data:i.url\47\76\74data:i.title\76\74/data:i.title\76\74/a\76\74/li\76\n\74/b:loop\76\n\74/ul\076'}}, document.getElementById('BlogArchive1'), {'languageDirection': 'ltr'}, 'displayModeFull'));_WidgetManager._RegisterWidget('_HTMLView', new _WidgetInfo('HTML1', 'sidebar',{'main': {'varName': '', 'template': '\74b:if cond\75\47data:title !\75 \46quot;\46quot;\47\76\n\74h2 class\75\47title\47\76\74data:title\76\74/data:title\76\74/h2\76\n\74/b:if\76\n\74div class\75\47widget-content\47\76\n\74data:content\76\74/data:content\76\n\74/div\76\n\74b:include name\75\47quickedit\47\76\74/b:include\076'}}, document.getElementById('HTML1'), {}, 'displayModeFull'));_WidgetManager._RegisterWidget('_HeaderView', new _WidgetInfo('Header1', 'header'));_WidgetManager._RegisterWidget('_NavbarView', new _WidgetInfo('Navbar1', 'navbar'));_WidgetManager._RegisterWidget('_BlogView', new _WidgetInfo('Blog1', 'main')); |
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